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Es posible que algunxs usuarixs de Firefox tengan que conectarse más de una vez para iniciar sesión. Es un error conocido de Firefox. Marca "keep me logged in" (mantenerme conectado), puede ayudar.


2024.10.30 Meeting Minutes

From Bike Collectives Wiki

Original minutes were taken at https://pad.riseup.net/p/BIKEBIK32025-keep and may have been updated more recently than this page. This copy was made on 2024.10.30 for archival purposes.

BIKE BIKE 30-10-24


Add CONTACT INFO at bottom / Añadir informacion de contacto abajo


PRESENTACIONES / Introductions


Alejandro (Colombia), Angie (Chiapas), April (California), Benny (Texas), Richi (Tj), Matt, Tomii and Naco (Argentina), Josh (NYC) , Ollin (GUADALAJARA), Pola (CDMX), Ram (Texas) Ainsley (Toronto), Yere (Guadalajara), Ellie (BICAS), Daniel (Cdmx) Valeria (CDMX), Camille (Winnipeg), Jesus (BICAS), Lorena (CDMX)


ARMAR AGENDA DEL DÍA (DE MANERA COLECTIVA)

  • OLLIN. A PARTIR DE LA PANDEMIA HUBO VARIOS INTENTOS PARA COMUNICARNOS CON CDMX, YA QUE ESE FUE EL LUGAR QUE SE DECIDIÓ EN EL ÚLTIMO BIKEBIKE EN TIJUANA. NUESTRO POPRIO COLECTIVO DEJO DE TENER ACTIVIDADES (CASA CICLISTA) NOS PLATEÁBAMOS LA PREGUNTA CON LA COMUNIDAD ANTERIOR DE ¿DÓNDE O CUANDO PODÍA VOLVER A RETOMARSE EL BIKEBIKE? FUE BENNY QUIEN PROPUSO HACE VARIAS SEMANAS, MESES Y PROPUSO EN EL CANAL DE FACEBOOK LA PROPUESTA PARA REALIZAR BICI BICI EN TEXAS, POSTERIORMENTE SE PROPUSO DESDE CANALES OFICIALES DEL BICI BICI QUE SE LLEVARÍA ACABO EN CDMX, QUIENES TOMAMOS LAS DESICIONES OPERATIVAMENTE? COMO FUNCIONA?, DONDE ESTA EL FONDO DE BIKEBIKE QUE FUIMOS PASANDO DURANTE LOS ULTIMOS VEINTE AÑOS.

DANDY, MUCHOS DE LOS PRESENTES ESTUVIMOS EN EL BIKEBIKE EN TIJUANA Y ESTUVIMOS DE ACUERDO EN QUE FUERA EN CDMX, TODOES CONOCEMOS LO QUE SUCEDIO DESPUÉS DE ESE AÑO, LA PANDEMIA LLEGO, NO SE REALIZO AL SIGUIENTE AÑO PORQUE LAS FRONTERAS SEGUIAN CERRADAS Y LA SITUACIÓN MUNDIAL NO ERA ESTABLE, FUE DIFICIL LA ORGANIZACIÓN EN COLECTIVO PORQUE SE TENIAN QUE ANTENDER Y PRIORIZAR LAS NCESIDADES BASICAS. ESTO SOLO DURANTE LOS AÑOS QUE DURO Y LO POSTERIOR DE LA PANDEMIA. LUEGO SUCEDIO BIKEBIKE EVERYWHERE Y HUBO UNA REUNIÓN PARA SABER SI BIKEBIKE PRESENCIAL AÚN SERÍA EN CDMX, A LO CUAL SE AFIRMO QUE SI SE HARÍA. PARA MI FUE IMPORTANTE EL CÓMO SE ORGANIZARÍA. NOS HEMOS DADO CUENTA QUE LA COMUNICACIÓN, Y LOS CANALES HAN SIDO CONFUSOS, Y AUNQUE NOS HABIAMOS ESTADO COMUNICANDO CON BIKEBIKE EVERYWHERE, NO HABIAMOS CHECADO O ESTADO PENDIENTES DEL CANAL DE FACEBOOK,

ALEJANDRO. ENTIENDO QUE LA PANDEMIA FUE MÁS DIFÍCIL INCLUSO QUIENES SE ENCUENTRAN EN AMERICA LATINA, DESDE 2019 HA SIDO MUY DIFÍCIL PARA LOS EVENTOS CICLISTAS AUTOGESTIVOS, EXISTIAN FRUSTRACIÓN PORQUE NO SE PERDIERA ESA ORGANIZACIÓN. AHORA QUE EL FMB VAYA PARA MONTREAL, PIENSO QUE EL MOVIMIENTO NORTEAMERICANO PUEDE APRENDER DEL CORAZÓN DEL MOVIMIENTO LATINOAMERICANO Y VICEVERSA.

APRIL. COMO ALGUIEN QUE INTENTA SOSTENER BIKEBIKE.ORG

Benny: I'm grateful this meeting is finally happening and we're finally talking! I think we've already strayed from the agenda, but I'll go ahead and shoot from the hip... There's a lot to covere and this meeting has dragged a bit... I'll speak for myself, and what I think others in the community are feeling. This is just the way I see it. Bike!Bike! Tijuana was five years ago now, almost to the day. At B!B!TJ, Mexico city was agreed upon as the next city. Then the pandmic paused everyones world for 2 years. In that time, we heard an announcement from CDMX that B!B! was postponed. In the following 3 years, we heard nothing from CDMX, to my knowledge. I'm moderately online and aware, and part of the B!B! email chain, and I didn't hear any announcement. Over those 5 years, we had multiple smaller B!B! friends meetings - little chats, or watching movies together. People always asked what was happening with CDMX, and the answer was always "we haven't heard anything". I recognize some of this conversation might have happened over B!B!E!, and it's a good thing that happened, but I didn't hear anything about it. It feels like I/we didn't hear a lot from them. Given that from my perspective, not having heard anything about Bike!Bike! for 5 years, I missed my friends and I missed B!B! and I took it upon myself to make it happen, because if you don't see the change then it's up to you to make it happen. I can recognize how some people would not have seen my post on Facebook, since I don't use Facebook for much of anything. All the communications I have recieved about Bike!Bike! have been on the listserv and on Facebook. That's where I'm coming from and that's the reason I made my announcement in July. I'm happy that this meeting is happening. It's good that it's happening, and I hope that we get some productive conversation from it.

BiciBici Tijuan fue hace 5 anyos ... la pandemia ... Escuchamos que BikeBike fue postergado. Luego no escuchamos nada por tres anyos. Usamos el list serve y no vimos nada. Durante esos 5 anyos nos juntamos y siempre nos preguntamos que pasaba con el BikeBike de CDMX. Parece que hubo comunicacion durante BikeBike Everywhere y eso es bueno, pero yo/nosotros no supimos nada de eso, no se compartio esa comunicacion. Me encanta BikeBike, extanyaba mis amgios (de BikeBike?) y yo mismo tome' la decision de organizar BikeBike. Entiendo si nadie vio mi mensaje de BB en FB. Fui sorprendido por el mensaje (de BikeBike)...hice mi anuncio en julio. Me alegro que esta pasando esta reunion.



Yere: I'll try to be direct because we don't have much time. I think we had a communication error. There are a couple of channels of communication that we aren't all following, and I think there were two instances in particular. There's two generations: 1. the pre-pandemic generation 2. the people that followed and joined in B!B!E! Respecting the decision from the last time we met, in Tijuana. Also respecting

Proposals: 

   Close one channel of communication so we can focus on just one
   Because there is a previous agreement from TJ, that it will take place in CDMX, that we will abide by that, but also recognizing Benny's sentiment and care and love, propose that we first meet in CDMX and then meet in San Marcos.

Yere: (menciono' lo de multiples canales de comunicacion). Hay dos momentos/generaciones: 

   1. lo de antiguo de BikeBike
   2. y lo nuevo

No era la intencion de reemplazar BiciBici con BikeBike en Todas Partes. Propuesta: cerrar uno de los medios de comunicacion y usamos solo uno. Propuesta: Respetar la decision de 2019 de BB en CDMX y tmbn permitir lo de Benny / San Marcos / Texas. Y hay una corazon muy grande en CDMX :) Primero en CDMX y luego en San Marcos, Texas, EEUU/USA


Angie: If you want to blame someone, you could blame me. I talked to Dandy when she was in San Cristobal and encouraged her. I'm happy this meeting is happening now, because there was a point where we should have made it clear that we wanted this discussion to happen, and not doing that is how the problem happened.


Angie: Echan la culpa a mi. Perdon. Meti la pata. Luego conoci a Dandy aqui en San Cristobal de las Casas. Y me alegro que esta reunion, este proceso, esta ocurriendo.


Dandy: Sigamos. Que todes hablan que quieren. Dandy: Thank you for continuing to share your feelings. We do have more people who want to participate. I want to thank Yeriel for putting a proposal on the table, but I think it's important to hear what everyone has to say.


Vale: Communication was complicated. I want to participate because I made the decision

Vale: La comunicacion fue complicado. Yo quiero participar porque tome la decision


Dan: I'm glad to have this meeting. Communication has been complicated. Above all the various channels. I don't use Facebook very much, so that was part of the problem with communications. When I went to Tijuana to volunteer at B!B!, it was determined that CDMX was going to take it from there. It was very exciting to propose hosting at that time. After the pandemic, we lost a beloved friend, and our efforts were focused elsewhere. We were tired and didn't have an answer about organizing Bike!Bike!. We tried to communicate through the channels we knew, but got no response. We decided at the beginning of this year that we wanted to do this, and were able to contact B!B!E! people. We didn't know about Benny's Facebook message, and we're very sorry for that. We think it's important to decentralize B!B!, and it's important to have B!B! international (and more to the south?). We also want to take advantage of the post-pandemic bike boom, but there have also been problems, e.g. more cyclist deaths since then. I appreciate everyone here communicating, and that's all I wanted to say.

Dan: Estoy muy feliz por tener esta reunion. La comunciacion ha sido compleja, sobre todo x los diversos canales. nunca estuve pendiente del Facebook. Ha sido compleja la comunicacion. Hemos tenido muchas discusiones durante estos anyos. Despues de la pandemia, perdimos a una muy querida amiga, y nuestros esfuerzos fueron a eso. No teniamos respuesta sobre organizar BikeBike. Luego, solo recien tuvimos claridad para retomar fuerza para organizar BiciBici. No sbiamos del mensaje de Benny en Facebook. Agradezco esto momento de comunicacion. Importante tener BiciBici Internacional y mas al sur donde es mas acesible. Si', es importante que retomamos BiciBici luego del boom de bici de la pandemia. Tambien necesitamos espacio para procesar las muertes viales. Gracias a todes.


Pola: As part of Resiste Pedal, we also support B!B! CDMX. As a collective we've done a lot to reduce vehicular violence. There are many fights here in this region, social, environmental, against extractive projects, and we'd love for everyone to be able to participate and discuss them here.


Pola: Parte de REsiste Pedal, a favor de BB en CDMX, como colectivo trabajamos en seguridad vial. Hay muchas luchas sociales, ambientales, contra proyectos extractivos, y todxs se usan la bicicleta como herramienta de movimientos


Ram: I definitely don't think we need to have two Bike!Bike!s and I'm in favor of it happening wherever the energy and the organizing power is. If that means moving away from the US or from North America, that's also certainly a possibility.

Ram: No creo que necesitamos 2 BiciBici. Que ocurra donde haya energia y ptencia de organizar, en donde sea: en los EEUU/USA o donde sea.


Josh: I really love you all! I want to acknowlege how much heart is in this room. I want to remind each of us that we all deserve each other's love and appreciation. This is rooted in some miscommunication, but at root we are comrades. I suspect we need to sort our feelings out like this a little more so everyone feels heard before we make decisions about where the conference is going to happen. I don't think anyone should feel guilty or to blame for the confusion we are experiencing. All of us as individuals and orgs have had to struggle and adapt since the pandemic, and I think we all get a pass for the struggles we have had. I think Yere's reflection was very wise, that there is a general communication breakdown, but also there is a division across generational lines in how we communicate and use technology. The way B!B!E! came about in the first place was confusing by itself, and was simultaneously a wonderful way of bring people together and also it was not organized visibly among people who had been part of B!B! for a long time. It sort of hatched in darkness and sprung off as it's own thing. We have two different things with similarities and haven't had much communication between the two. Hopefully we can stitch the two of them back together. We should be kind to each other and to ourselves as we try to get through this murky swamp together.


Josh: Lxs quiero mucho. Merecemos el amor y amistad de todxs. Todos somos comaradas, pero salio conflicto debido a circunstancias. Hace falta procesar emociones antes de tomar decisiones sobre la conferencia. Nadie deberia sentir culpable. Todxs tuvimos dificultades debido a la pandemia, organizarnos etc. Yere tenia razon: hubo problemas de comunicacion, pero tambien de generaciones distintas. La comunicacion ha sido compleja desde anyos, y nunca la comunicacion fue bien organizada. Tenemos el desafio de corregir/mejorar las cosas. Es importante tratarnos con amor.


Benny: I think Josh is speaking from the heart, and it's wonderful the things he just said. I think there might be some confusion into what some of the community members who have talked to me and what they've voiced to me, there might be some confusion as to what people are unhappy about right now. I have heard from multiple CDMX organizers and B!B!E! organizers that there's miscommunication and cross-communication. That being said, there are some clear, classic channels of communication that have been used in the past that have not been used at all. I have looked through other channels, like the ThinkTank, and there are two active users in the past month. So just because you've announced something somewhere, doesn't mean you've announced it. I think a lack of communication or miscommunication is an acceptable excuse for not communicating something to the rest of the group, and to my knowledge, very little if anything was communicated to anyone to the rest of the group as a whole. There's a clear lack of communication. But that is only a valid excuse for so long. It has been half a decade, 5 years. I think it's great that CDMX wants to host B!B!, as it was decided. I don't know if I know any of these organizers, these people. They have not communicated anything to me. Even this meeting itself has been frustrating to organize. I appreciate April and Angie reaching out, but also it took 3 times to happen. I emailed CDMX and not heard back. I have hard from others at other collectives who have been frustrated with the lack of communication over the last 5 years. It is not just my voice that I'm speaking for. Many people in different communities are saying this. We need communication. There is an entire website, which B!B!E! has used. I don't accept that there's just been some miscommunication. I am voicing not just my own frustrations, but those of many other collectives and many other groups of attendees. I recognize that this might not be a nice or fun thing to hear, but it is what a large portion of the community feels. It is why I chose to announce B!B! in San Marcos, because of this frustration, this sadness. Just because a group says "we're doing B!B! now" doesn't make up for the past.


Benny: Creo que Josh habla de su corazon y eso es bueno. Hay confusion quizas sobre que es nos tiene descontentos. Estoy de acuerdo que la comunicacion ha sido dificil. Pero, hay unos canales seguros/obvios, como TheThinkTank, donde no hay usuarios activos, y lo mismo con Facebook. Se puede anunciar en uno pero nadie lo ve. Pero no es excusa legitima. Si' o si' hay una falta de comunicacion. Han pasado 5 anyos. Mi sentimiento es que no hubo comunicacion amplia. Me alegro que esta organizando en CDMX. Pero no conozco estos organizadores. Se siente ajeno. Sabemos que se tomo' la decision en tijuana. Incluso esta reunion ha sido dificil organizar y agradezco los esfuerzos. Pero mande mensajes/emails a organizadores y no recibi respuesta. Y no soy el unico que esta frustrado con los organizadores de CDMX. Hablo por varias personas que se sientan asi. No acepto la excusa sobre problemas de comunicacion. Hay muchas personas que se sienten frustracion. La comunicacion de ahorita no resuelve la situacion.


Yere: I think everything changes and we have to try to move ahead and conserve this kindness and love that we have. I too was frustrated about the lack of communication and transparency. I propose we learn about this experience and find a way to resolve it. Give both collectives space. They can each have it one year to respect their initiative and time. It could be that in 2025 it's san marcos and in 2026 it's cdmx. We maybe also have to talk with CDMX collectives about what the objective of B!B! is and whether it remains the same. It was about internally sharing experience and support, not about outside battles. There was never any government involvement, it was just about internal work. We need to discuss if we want to make those changes.


Yere: Todo cambia...hay que tratar de conservar el carinyo que nos tenemos. Yo tmabien estuve frustrado. Pero hay que aprender de todo esto. Acuerdo con Ram: darle espacio a cada uno - San Marcos en 2025, CDMX 2026. BB es de colectivos. Asi damos lugar a todes quienes quieran organizar. Tabmien, que hablamos del proposito de BB. No se trata de lo politico. Que no haya conexiones con el gobierno. Solo se trata de colectivos.



April: Benny, I feel your frustration. For years I have been trying to communicate with collectives in Mexico and haven't gotten an answer, or gotten an initial answer, and then nothing. I'm also frustrated with older/past BikeBike organizers. I haven't been able to find their communications about events, meetups. I don't know how organizers in Mexico City were supposed to find those announcements.

April: Benny, estoy de acuerdo con la frustracion que dices, con la falta de comunicacion con colectivos/organizaciones en Mexico. Tambien tengo frustraciones con los organizadores de BiciBici de antes. Parece que tuvieron reuniones sin anunciarlos bien. No se' co'mo alguien pudo encontrar esos eventos.


Dandy: 1. At what time do we end the meeting? 2. Its fine to not make any decisions tonight. More important to hear each other out.

Dandy: 1. A que hora terminamos la reunion?


Alejandro: I understand the difficult circumstances, especially for Latin American social movements. But Foro Mundial was organized in Mexico city. I know I wasn't the only person who tried to contact the Resiste Pedal organizers and couldn't get hold of them. In 2019 the assembly chose CDMX and that creates an issue of legitimacy. But in 2022 we had the announcement online and nothing happened. Something key for me is not only what can B!B! do for my social movement, but what can my social movement do for B!B!. It has to be win-win. From my heart, I would love for this to happen in CDMX and I know it would be powerful for all the collectives in CDMX, but I cannot get past that frustration I have because of how endangered B!B! has been because of this. 

   Alejandro: Entiendo la situacion es dificil en particular en America Latina y sus movimientos. El FOro Mundial de La Bicicleta ocurrio en CDMX. Fue organizado por el barrio de Gustavo Madero. Genera un tema de legtimidad. En 2019 se elegio CDMX, pero paso demasiado tiempo. Es clave no solo que' BiciBici puede hacer por mi movimiento, pero que' se puede hacer mi movimiento para BiciBici. Me encantaria que BiciBici ocurra en CDMX, pero eso no me quita la frustracion que BiciBici fue fragilizado.



Ainsley: I appreciate being here and hearing peoples' persepctives. It's been really helpful to hear where everyone is coming from and what their experiences have been. In terms of where we are now and moving forward, as someone who's been in this community for 20 years, people need 6 months lead time to have this event be successful. That includes invitations for people to have with information about how to participate in the event. If right now we're at an impasse because we're not bikebike and we can't decide what bikebike does, I don't know if it would be possible for someone to plan a successful event for the spring of 2025. 


   Ainsley: Gracias a todes. Ha sido muy util escuchar a las experiencias y perspectivas de todos. Llevo 20 anyos en esto. La gente necesita 6 meses de aviso para poder atender este evento. Entonces si no podemos decidir ahora sobre BiciBici, no creo que haya tiempo suficiente que BiciBici ocurra en la primavera (norteamerica) de 2025. Eso es todo.



Dandy: We have an important part in the communication failure. But that's not the only reason it hasn't happened. Also noticing there are 18 different people in this meeting and there are a lot of intersections between us. B!B! is definitely about the collectives and the work we do inide, and it's also important that we talk about the inclusion of everyone. It wasn't just about a barrier. Language is important, and has sometimes been a barrier. Because of that we haven't communicated directly with Benny after some communication had been established until we were able to get help from other people in the last communications we've had. I wanted to mention that just to address with clarity this frustration that Benny felt. I also wanted to make clear that we're aware of theethos of bikebike. We agree there should be no political parties and mainstream politics, but for us the political is part of everyday life. Everyday things are also political. Another way we would like to restore this responsibility we have is to make clear we're not trying to push for this event to happen in CDMX. We're here to speak face to face with everyone and reach a decision collectively. One of the proposals we wanted to put on the table at this meeting was maybe having the TX bikebike be regional and cdmx be international. This is because many of us need visas to go to the US, which might be an impediment to many people. To what Ainsley said, we are aware that we have little time now and a conference in the spring probably isn't feasible.


Dandy: Tenemos una parte importante sobre la falta de comunicacion. Pero no es la unica razon por lo cual no se ha ocurrido. Nos cruzamos de otras formas. Hay 18 personas en esta reunion. BiciBici se trata de las colectivas y es Importante es la inclusividad. Idioma ha sido una barrera. No nos comunicamos con Benny directamente por tema de lengua. Queria hablar de esa frustracion de Benny. Por otra parte, para nosotras lo politico es cotidiana. Hacerlo de nosotras mismas (DIY) etc. Una manera de restaurar nuestra responsibilidad es dar la cara y esta presente para la decision que se tome, y no para forzar que BB ocurra en CDMX. Una idea/propuesta: regional en San Marcos, e internacional en CDMX.


Benny: I appreciate you clarifying what you said about the emails and why you were going through Angie and April for those. It wasn't conveyed in the emails. From the emails we recieved, it was "we did B!B!E!, we know people organizers in CDMX" not "we are translating for CDMX". Thank you for the clarification. TO follow up on April said about posting where I was posting. I posted on the B!B! facebook page because it's the only place I knew where communication happened. If I had access to the B!B! email list I'd have sent it through that. I didn't have access to that. I'm glad we're here and talking. I didn't want to force the event to happen in one place or another. I hope the minutes are posted publicly since there are only 19 or 17 perople here, but BikeBike is much bigger than that. I hope before the end of this meeting we have a clear conversation to decide where we will meet next. I think the priority should be the CDMX organizers and what dates work for them so we don't have any more cancellations.


Benny: Gracias a Dandy por aclarar lo de las dificultades de lengua. Eso no fue claro en la comunicacion. El/los mensaje/s no fueron muy claros. Puse el anunico en el unico lugar que yo conocia para hacer anuncios: en FB. Agradezco que esta reunion esta ocurriendo. Ha sido util en aclarar. Espero que la minuta vaya a todos los medios de comunicacion. Espero que en esta reunion aclaramos la proxima reunion. Es muy frustrante y triste cuando se cancela las reuniones.



Asha: The pandemic happened. It got really messy for all the collectives. I hope at the next meeting we don't take it out on mexico city as to why B!B! didn't happen there. This is a collective project and it's always gonna be a little messy. Some people are going to have the skills to handle that and some aren't. I don't want all of that to be put on CDMX. People come and go from collectives. It can take 2 months, it can take 10 years. There might have been a whole different group who committed CDMX to hosting B!B! back in Tijuana, and they might not be involved anymore. I support having it in CDMX, partly because it's harder for people to travel from MX to the US, and partly because I'm close by and enthusiastic about it. I want everyone to keep it mind that it's a big life circumstance.


Asha: En Tucson. Llego' hoy a la mitad. La pandemia fue dificil. No quiero en la proxima reunion que nos enojamos con CDMX por no organizar BB. La genta va y viene en las colectivas de bici. Los grupos cambian. El grupo de CDMX que estaba en Tijuana en 2019 capaz ya no mas esta. Quiere BB en CDMX. Requiere mas recursos ir a los EEUU/USA para extranjeros que ir a Mexico.




Dandy: hay propuestas en el chat Josh - Aquí tienes una propuesta: ¡Cada año en Bike!Bike! Tenemos una gran discusión para decidir dónde será la próxima conferencia. Varios grupos presentan por qué quieren ser anfitriones, por qué creen que están listos para hacerlo, etc. El resto de nosotros podemos hacer preguntas al respecto. Después de que todos se presenten, todos pasamos por una votación por consenso. Propongo que hagamos eso nuevamente, en línea. Creo que deberíamos anunciar en ThinkTank *y* los grupos de Facebook y Discords que hay un único momento y lugar de reunión donde CDMX, Benny y cualquier otra persona pueden exponer sus razones (incluidas las necesidades de visa, la justicia lingüística, etc.) y hablar sobre por qué Estamos listos para ser anfitriones y podemos decidir juntos como comunidad. Me ofrecería como voluntario para ayudar a facilitar esto si fuera de ayuda.




Bichi: Asha mentioned the Tijana organizing committe. I was part of that. I just wanted to respond, can you ask that again?


Asha: I don't know who in CDMX committed them to be the next host, but they may not even be involved any more.


Bichi pregunta una aclaracion de Asha. Asha responde: Yo decia que es posible que la gente que estaban en Tijuana ya no mas estan involucradas.


Bichi: The decision was made at TJ. IT was between CDMX and Madison. There were two groups from CDMX, I think, and now only one of them is involved.

Bichi: La decision fue tomado en la tradicion: por consenso en asamblea, al final de BB 2019. Cierto que cambio gente en CDMX. Hubo dos grupos.


Benny: The purpose of this meeting, to my mind, was never to create a debate or to choose between mexico city and san marcos. This is a meeting so we can have some communication and clarification from Mexico city for 5 years. I have been asking for this meeting to happen since Sept. 25. This is not me attempting to argue for San Marcos over CDMX. I would be very happy if Mexico City was prepared and ready to host this event. But I also recognize that the B!B! community is frustrated. The point of this meeting was to have any communication with CDMX. I recognize some of the people in this call have had communication with cdmx, but I know I am not speaking just for myself when I say a large portion of the community is frustrated. I hope in the future we have more communication! I hope this happens more and is not as difficult to make happen again.


Benny: Quiero esta claro: el proposito de esta reunion no fue para decidir entre CDMX y San Marcos. Esta reunion era para tener comunicacion con CDMX. El resto de la comunidad tuvo que esperar un mes para esta reunion. Esto no se trata de elegir un lugar. Me encantaria tener BB en CDMX. Pero reconozco la frustracion de mucha gente. Solo quiero mas comunicacion. Hay dos grupos con distintas formas de comuicacion: lxs de BB de antes y lxs de mas recien.


Dandy: We clearly aren´t deciding where we should host the next Bike!Bike! right now. We will take down the posts we have made about B!B! CDMX to prevent confusion.

Ollin: Whatever medium we have further discussion on, can someone explain what bikecollectives is.

Josh: We're almost there! If we're going to communicate about this meeting and what we do next, we should put it on all the things. Whoever posts it first, other people can cross-post it elsewhere. If we're trying to have a meeting to make further decisions about the future of B!B! in two weeks, we need to share everything to a much broader network.

Angie: I suggest two meetings, one to resolve all these issues of the channels and tech. April and a bunch of techies have created all these tools, and that is something that is evolving as a right arm of bike bike, and another meeting should be the assembly. That might take longer, people are busy and we don't know what's going on in peoples' lives.

Proposed meetings: Next week or two weeks from now, same time?

Next meeting in two weeks, November 13 at the same time. I believe we can use this same Jitsi link.


We will put this information on the pad, but I need people to be responsible for communicating in both languages in all channels of communication.

Angie: I can volunteer, but it would be nice to hand it off to someone else because I come from B!B!E!, so it might help to have a new voice, someone from the old guard.

Ollin: I can put it on the facebook.

Angie: I can do the thinktank.

Whoever shares it in one channel, please write it in the pad so others can see what has been done.

Dandy: Next time I'll make sure the interpretation channel works.

Dandy: We were supposed to discuss an agenda for the next meeting, but we could also do that on the pad.

Josh: I volunteer to email everyone who puts their email address in the pad to collaborate on an agenda for the next meeting.


Proxima reunion: en dos semanas, el miercoles 13 de noviembre a la misma hora de hoy, aqui: https://i.meet.mayfirst.org/BB2025


Optional things to include / cosas que puedes incluir: name - location - email - phone - other contact - how do you mostly communicate about Bike!Bike!? nombre - ubicación - email - telefono - otro contacto - como comunicamos primariamente sobre Bike!Bike!?

Josh Josh Josh - NYC - jbisker@gmail.com - 01-914-500-9890 - ThinkTank listserv galgosupernova - Buenos Aires, Argentina - galgosupernova@gmail.com [Naco/Tomi] - ThinkTank listserv Bicas (Jesus -Tucson az Jesus.urbina@bicas.org) April Wick (she/her) - California - april@aprilwick.com - () - signal: aprilwick.48 - discord (less often used): d.april.w - mostly the thinktank listserv Matt. Kumeyaay Land (San Diego). BikesdelPuebloSD@gmail.com. I check https://lists.bikecollectives.org/ Alejandro - Bogotá/Worcester, MA alejandromanga@gmail.com ThinkTank Listserv/FB ASHA G - lioncub180@gmail.com Ainsley N (Toronto) needleandthread@gmail.com im on the think tank listserve Ram - San Marcos - rammoore112358@gmail.com FB Benny San Marcos Bikebikesmtx2025@gmail.com FB Dan- CDMX ratxbeats@gmail.com Ollin - Guadalajara. envoltorio@gmail.com telegram:@ollinm whatsapp:+52 3313511198


Suggestion to join this: https://lists.bikecollectives.org/postorius/lists/ Another website, don't know it: https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/Thinktank (this is the same as the previous link, the )

This is the video chat link for both this meeting and the next one: https://i.meet.mayfirst.org/BB2025

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